Mon 2 Jul 2012
W.O.W. 6/22/12 and 6/29/12-Maximal motor unit recruitment occurs prior to failure
Posted by Doug McGuff under Uncategorized
I did the following WOW’s since the last post. Once again, recovery has been quicker than in the past.
6/22
Pulldown on SS Systems
MedX Chest Press
Nautilus Pullover with SS retrofits
MedX Compound Row with SS fall-off cam
MedX Leg Press
6/29
MedX Overhead Press
Biceps Curl with EZ bar (split stance/MAE style)
Nautilus Plate-loaded Tricep with SS retrofits
Reverse grip (pronated) curl with EZ bar
Formulator wrist flexion
MedX Leg Press (reclined position with dead end-stop/squeeze technique)
Chris Highcock posted this article over at Conditioning Research. It asserts something that I have believed and found prior literature to support: the idea that full motor unit recruitment occurs before failure occurs. I suspect that full motor unit recruitment occurs at about 85% the way to failure and the rest of the way is increased firing rate and summation of these motor units. The million dollar question is whether simply recruiting is enough of a stimulus or if the summation and exhaustion is necessary. The article below obviously assumes that recruitment is enough.
Muscle Activation Strategies During Strength Training With Heavy Loading vs. Repetitions to Failure
Sundstrup, Emil1; Jakobsen, Markus D.1; Andersen, Christoffer H.1; Zebis, Mette K.1,2; Mortensen, Ole S.1,3; Andersen, Lars L.1
Abstract: Sundstrup, E, Jakobsen, MD, Andersen, CH, Zebis, MK, Mortensen, OS, and Andersen, LL. Muscle activation strategies during strength training with heavy loading vs. repetitions to failure. J Strength Cond Res 26(7): 1897–1903, 2012—Going to failure, or not, has probably been one of the most debated issues during the history of strength training. However, few studies have directly compared the physiological effect of failure vs. nonfailure strength training. The purpose of this study was to evaluate muscle activation strategies with electromyography (EMG) during heavy repetitions vs. repetitions to failure with lighter resistance. Fifteen healthy untrained women performed a set with heavy loading (3 repetition maximum [RM]) and a set of repetitions to failure with lower resistance (∼15 RM) during lateral raise with elastic tubing. Electromyographic amplitude and median power frequency of specific shoulder and neck muscles were analyzed, and the BORG CR10 scale was used to rate perceived loading immediately after each set of exercise. During the failure set, normalized EMG was significantly lower during the first repetition and significantly higher during the latter repetitions compared with the heavy 3-RM set (p < 0.05). Normalized EMG for the examined muscles increased throughout the set to failure in a curvilinear fashion—e.g., for the trapezius from 86 to 124% maximal voluntary contraction (p < 0.001)—and reached a plateau during the final 3–5 repetitions before failure. Median power frequency for all examined muscles decreased throughout the set to failure in a linear fashion, indicating progressively increasing fatigue. In conclusion, going to complete failure during lateral raise is not necessary to recruit the entire motor unit pool in untrained women—i.e., muscle activity reached a plateau 3–5 repetitions from failure with an elastic resistance of approximately 15 RM. Furthermore, strengthening exercises performed with elastic tubing seem to be an efficient resistance exercise and a feasible and practical alternative to traditional resistance equipment.
The article makes a couple of assumptions that I do not necessarily agree with. First, there is doubt in my mind whether EMG activity accurately reflects motor unit recruitment, as this is a controversial topic in the literature. The second assumption is that the decreasing power frequency as measured by the EMG was entirely due to fatigue of motor units as opposed to decreased effort on the part of the subject due to discomfort or due to the activity of inhibitory neural activity (Tim Noakes’ central governor theory). Finally, elastic tubing on a lateral raise exercise probably is the worst possible model for efficient muscular loading with an utterly backwards strength curve from the ideal situation.
Despite the limitations of the article, it does provide a couple of interesting talking points. First, the notion of subfailure training as being as productive as training to failure. I certainly experienced good results with stopping with failure as opposed to the deep inroad technique. Secondly, how the research can ask an important question but devise the worst possible methods for investigating the question. In this case they selected subjects that were least likely to “dig deep” and most likely to succumb most quickly to discomfort or the central governor. They selected the worst possible model for muscular loading: rubber tubing that provides almost no resistance at minimum moment arm and maximal resistance at maximal moment arm (completely backwards strength curve). Lastly, they assumed EMG readings accurately reflected fatigue, and that this fatigue accurately reflected motor unit recruitment.
So like most studies…it provokes interesting discussion, but its design and methods are so bad that no conclusions can really be reached.
Post your WOW’s and your thoughts.

Greg
Your post is very interesting as well as encouraging. I have been engaged in a body re-comp over the past year. This due to climbing up to 225Lbs yes getting stronger but ignoring really how much fat I was putting on.
I am now stuck at about 190Lbs (for about month) this despite low carb circa 50gms a day, paleo probably 110 gms protein a day. BBS resistance training every 7 days and recently adding two days short HIIT on a spinning bike i.e. 10 min warm up followed by 20 secs flat out high resistance 10 secs low resistance / rest for 8 cycles
One day a week T Ferriss style cheat day when I might have a couple of beers and a pizza.
My target is 180lbs which may put me at around13% BF
Did you, or others (Thomas I believe you shed a lot of fat weight) reach a point like this before moving to just the 2lbs meat per day or come to that any alternative strategy to shift the fat?
@Brian F,
You’re approach works up to a certain point (heavy people can lose massive amounts of weight by changing what they eat alone). But again, the leaner you get, the more your body will “fight back” and this point is different for everyone and, I believe, is subject to variables such as prior weight gain, age, and otherlifestyle factors. If you want to take it further, you MUST adjust portions or somehow increase expenditure or both. Forget about what comes naturally - that is a sure fire way to not achieve your goals if being lean is what you are after. Eventually your body will adapt and accept this new effort and it will be easier, but that takes a while. Most give up before they ever get to this point. From a diet perspective (as far as good body comp is concerned) we live in a cruel world.
I think carb restriction is useful, especially for those who have quite a bit of weight to lose, but a fair number of people who try it end up hitting a plateau that is above degree of lean that they really want to achieve.
That was certainly my case. I went from 200 lbs and >35% body fat to 160 lbs and low-mid 20’s % body fat, without really paying that much attention to food quantity, or being plagued with excessive hunger. It seemed like magic.
Unfortunately, the magic stopped before I got to my target weight of 145. (I was in the 140-150 range until I turned 30.) I’ve played with exercise intensity and frequency, dabbled with intermittent fasting, tried very low carb. Inevitably, my appetite does me in.
It is true that folks like Mark Sisson and Peter Attia are low carb and very lean. But they were never really fat. I note from Attia’s blog (”The Eating Academy”) that he STARTED his weight loss story with a body fat of 20%!
In the end, I think some are naturally predisposed to carry for fat than others, just as some are naturally predisposed to build muscle more easily than others.
Good point Craig! Our metabolism is concerned about our survival, not our abs. Our obsession with body comp is a relatively new phenomenon and some (maybe most) don’t have the natural body fat distribution capacity seen in the popular media. That is why turning the focus to healthful eating (which includes eating less than most do Imo), strength and feeling well is a better option than just weight loss Imho.
Thomas, Craig,
Interesting comments, particularly those in respect of starting out as a fatter person than certain individuals on the net who have names associated with leanness, and their respective starting points.
I also find it interesting how the more well known actors get very lean on demand for certain parts, even the older ones.
Guess I’ll give Sly a call for advice…. just kidding
It does feel like my physiology is saying “OK that’s enough” however I will persevere, maybe some 20 rep squats will rev me up!
If anyone is interested in “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance” you can read the first chapter (and much of the book) on Amazon for free.
Also of important note: with a BBS-style workout, you’re not burning a lot of glycogen. As a rule of thumb, you use about 5 grams of glycogen per 2 minutes of high intensity work, meaning that you’d be hard pressed to exhaust 35 grams per 7 exercise workout. Understanding that, it should come as no surprise that this type of workout can be performed on a low carb diet without performance decreases (assuming sufficient adaptation).
These actors do extreme calorie restriction to lose weight quickly - something nobody can maintain for long. I think Christian Bale ate something like an apple and a can of tuna a day for a certain role (the Machinest?). They tend to be highly motivated and driven people, however. Not your average “I’d like to lose some weight” Joe. There isn’t a person alive who cant lose weight on that few calories (and a lot of muscle too). It’s also interesting to see those who fatten up for roles (Sly Stalone, Robert Deniro come to mind) and come back down and remain at their normal weight after.
WOD:
-Nitro Adduction
-SSS Leg Curl
-Nitro Leg Press
-Nitro Compound Row
-Med-X Chest Press
-Nitro Pullover
-Nitro Bicep Curl
-Calves on Nitro Leg Press
-1:00 TUL on each exercise
-20 grams of glycogen depleted
Thomas,
I would cynically guess that there is all kinds of “Stuff” going on behind the scenes. Well we all know about Stallone, although even with all the assistance his body still has to take very hard training. Real shame to see that Deniro seems to have let himself go in every sense.
Hey Skyler
Do you think that the amount of glycogen depleted is (can be) affected by the speed at which a person goes through a workout?
Or more precisely, the (lack) of breaks between exercises, that then keep the workload “non-stop”.
Bottom line : if you haul ass between exercises, does that number potentially increase?
– Anthony
Factoid - Re: aging and HIT:
We have an 88 year old couple that drives in from assisted living. Been working out with us for 3 years (son works out at RenX). Husband has peripheral neuropathy. Wife has a rod in her femur and got a hip replacement about 4 months ago.
Leaving Wednesday to drive 1200 miles from SC to a lake 200 miles north of Toronto to spend a couple months on a one acre island
that only has their house on it. They’ve been doing it for 55 years and don’t plan on quitting.
What’s age go to do with it?? Nothing…
@Anthony
No, not in any study that I’ve seen. What the haulin’ ass will do is increase your EPOC but that’s post-exercise and mostly dealing with all of that anaerobic substrate that we produce in such a workout.
Hi, thought I would chime in here (sorry to interrupt the convo…) with a bit of praise. I started at UE about 6 months ago in anticipation of an 8-day backpacking trip in Colorado, which I just returned from. In the meantime I bought and read Chris Highcock’s Hillfit, which is fantastic. Although I was pretty sedentary outside of UE — just a lot going on at work — I had as easy of a time as anyone, while carrying the most weight. In fact, the instructors didn’t think I was physically challenged (although I was completely exhausted at times!). To those who asked, I mentioned Chris’s book and the HIT/UE method but didn’t hard sell, because I didn’t have to. Being able to sit down and stand up with 60 lbs on my back said a lot. I just paraphrased Chris’s credo - being strong makes the pack lighter, more than drilling holes in a toothbrush ever will.
So, thanks to UE, Ed, Mark, and most of all Sherry, for making it a fantastic trip!
I’m unconvinced that there is any need for exogenous glucose for glycogen replenishment after exercise. Pretty much all of the studies I have read have been conducted on typical SAD participants or SAD v.2.0 - ‘athlete’ - Although I don’t think that there is a huge argument to say that you shouldn’t have any either - just might not really be necessary.
It would be great to see to what extent gluconeogenesis impacts muscle and liver glycogen replenishment on an LC/HF diet in a ‘fat adapted’ and insulin sensitive sample. Tim Noakes looks to be doing alot of work currently on ‘fat adapted’ ironman triathletes so this will be interesting to see when it gets published.
Although another question is whether the glycogen depletion as a result of exercise is even that important in the first place (and then again how important is its rate of replinishment). Increased insulin sensitivity doesn seem to be a function of glycogen depletion as very brief HIT/HIIT significantly improves it to the same degree as other more depleting exercise. Its seems probably more likely just a more chronic translocation of GLUT4 receptors to the cell membrane surface.
@ Skyler: Regarding glycogen demand for HIT.
Doug’s book argues that intense resistance training improves insulin sensitivity precisely because it flushes a large amount of glycogen out to the muscle in response to the work being done (page 102-103 in paperback edition). Your comments suggest that glycogen demand for such training is modest. Do I detect an inconsistency?
@Greg
Do yourself a favour: stop eating all that meat! And leave out all that paleo bs!
@Craig
Compared to a “Standard” strength training routine, BBS does burn significantly more glycogen. However, this does not add up to a “lot” anymore than aerobics burns a lot of calories.
However, that regular glycogen reduction combined with lower carbohydrate intake via an ancestral/paleo diet will lead to a drastically improved insulin sensitivity, which is ultimately the point.
Sandro,
I would if I didn’t receive any benefit from what I’m getting in return. I have more energy, zero cravings, no mood swings, fat loss, no constant thoughts of food. Remember fruit is nothing more than candy on a tree. Celluose is not digestable by the human gut. Fruits are as addictive as hershey’s choclate or lay’s potato chips. Fat is the preferred fuel for the human body. Read some history on nutrition and how we evolved into a carbocentric society. Your body doesn’t need carbs. Your body only carries about 500 grams of glycogen, 400 which are stored by the muscles and only used by muscles, meaning the 100 grams stored in the liver, must supply glucose for your brain and nervous system. If you become fat adapted you have access to tens of thousands of calories of energy, literally and unlimited supply.
Greg
Dylan
Thanks for your kind words. Glad you like Hillfit - it owes a lot to Doug and John Little
@ Dylan,
Interesting you mention the ease of hiking, I had an identical experience upon returning home to CO, shortly after a consult with Doug at UE.
Further evidence of the overall systemic benefits of a BBS-type regimen: I hiked a portion of the continental divide in Colorado. I’ve never gone hiking before, nor spent meaningful time at mountain elevations (we started at +11,000′). The friend I went with is a true “outdoorsman” and virtually a mountaineer. Though we weren’t engaging in a technical climb, it was a very steep and frequently dicey grade partly through snow. A subplot was my friend’s hope to disprove the efficacy of my weekly 15-minute workout, claiming I wouldn’t be fit enough to keep up. Suffice to say, not only did I keep up, I exceeded his performance in terms of speed of vertical climb and recovery. This “flat-lander” has forced my friend to rethink his previous skepticism.
Henry
That is fantastic. One of the key things I am trying to get over in Hillfit is the idea that strength is vital to fitness for hiking / backpacking. You will be more resilient but also everything will feel easier. The book is available at www dot hillfit dot com